Proper Conditioning.

[canadian kelso]

Originally Posted by unico

Hello Gentlemen!!!

Lemon 84, no probs bro!!!...that's exactly why I started this thread since I'm quite sure a lot of our friends here would like to access this list...what better way to post it than to have several facts...and opinion put together..

Guru Ted, I kow ehy u don't bother why with the keep...it's because u have it all done in the broodpen!!!...plus 10% effort na lang...when can I have thoseClarets and Kelso's???

Reg, there's no monopoly to the Dodong mix...anyone can order that from the place ...even u'r primo can tell u that...or Mr. Oil

Sabit, are u saying "u do it youuuuurrrr waaayyyyy!!!"...style FranK S ang pagkanta siempre

Regards to all...

Yep you're right but most of the people using the Dodong mix are concert buddies....the fewer ..the people who knows where to buy them the better he,he.

[tebs69]

MIKE RATLIFF METHOD OF CONDITIONING.. .. I learned many good pointers from the books of mike ratliff , then i combined it with BILL RUBLE feeding program ,, on the way of my success and failures , i try to develop my learning about conditioning and pointing by asking some pointers from the bigtime handlers in metro manila who always competitive and consistent in handling their gamecock in the pit... dont stop learning and be competitive always......

Prof. UNICO, its nice to have the expert back in the thread. Now Migo UNICO just PM me with that secret DODONG mix. Daw duda ko sina nga mix ba, basi ODONG ina nga noodles kag sahugan sang tinapa.

Migo Unico, waay gid takdan di sa higad hagad, si Boss LMIGHTYWWWWW is in MICHIGAN abi. May takdan daw tani siya karon nga adlaw.Balik niya karon nga gab-i.

Sorry mga Boss, english thread.

[unico]

Canadian Kelso...sige na nga....di no details din from me on the duck pellets

Tebs....hope u can provide the fundamentals of the methods...no specifics at baka "sekwet" yun...like my discussions on the Narragansett breeding method I simply explain it as a type of line breeding approach giving reapeated doses of an outstanding bloodline into succeeding generations...that is on ONE side of the mating like Uncle-Niece, Cousins, Nephew-Aunt...something lika that..

Graz..dili Udong-udong bai...Udon!!!...I just cooked verrryyy delicious Lomi today using it...better than the yellow ones...hmmmm, that might be good for carbo-loading..like what some athletes do..they eat a lot of pasta day before a match!!!

By the way folks, I started the thread and didn't even mention my two cents worth...I have been involved largely with oriental grades and I would endorse the Fly-pen keep..minimal hand work, with lots of "ladies" for the boys!!!...I mean the roosters not the handlers...'Tay tayo diyan..

Note, i'm specifying the Flypen keep fpr Oriental grades since I find that they can work themselves better into good condition on their own..a bit of catch cock work won't hurt...the method also works well with stags ...don't forget those ladies!

[canadian kelso]

unico...you're the man .. share some of you're handling expertise please..he,he
If the rooster is looking at you before pitting what's the best way to do?he,he

[unico]

Originally Posted by canadian kelso

unico...you're the man .. share some of you're handling expertise please..he,he
If the rooster is looking at you before pitting what's the best way to do?he,he

look at him in the eye as welland tell him it's either he kills the other rooster or u kill him!!!

...no, handling was never my cup of tea...I'm what the "experts" call..."hilaw na cocker"!!!..

anyways, exactly what do u mean by "looking up at me "...is he on the ground??

...is he looking at me before the actual release while he is being held??...if this is the case, I would sway him..and proffer him again towards the opponent to remind him that the other cock is the opponent not me...the other handler should wait..period.

[stupid_crook]

Originally Posted by unico

By the way folks, I started the thread and didn't even mention my two cents worth...I have been involved largely with oriental grades and I would endorse the Fly-pen keep..minimal hand work, with lots of "ladies" for the boys!!!...I mean the roosters not the handlers...'Tay tayo diyan..

Note, i'm specifying the Flypen keep for Oriental grades since I find that they can work themselves better into good condition on their own..a bit of catch cock work won't hurt...the method also works well with stags ...don't forget those ladies!

My my my...so this is the crop u'r talking about Doc Unico....joke lang. The flypen keep u recommend is up to standard and efficient...based on my experience...regardless of the grade! On the other hand, I cud restrict the boys with ladies to a minimum but not in some training methods I employ.
My training is based on the rearing facilities and environment of the chicken raised from chicks to maturity. In my opinion, widely/freely ranged cockerels that matured in adequate area with pleasant environment have more advantage and requires less hand work during the keep. Well..don't blame me if i read the situation this way..ok..
Feedings? Supplements?... to each his own i guess...depending on their knowledge, experience and self-initiative to improve and achieve more. Rationally, if ur adopted ideas are really convincing and consistent in winning...why change? Ano ka hilo? bwahaha..

[unico]

Originally Posted by stupid_crook

My my my...so this is the crop u'r talking about Doc Unico....joke lang. The flypen keep u recommend is up to standard and efficient...based on my experience...regardless of the grade! On the other hand, I cud restrict the boys with ladies to a minimum but not in some training methods I employ.
My training is based on the rearing facilities and environment of the chicken raised from chicks to maturity. In my opinion, widely/freely ranged cockerels that matured in adequate area with pleasant environment have more advantage and requires less hand work during the keep. Well..don't blame me if i read the situation this way..ok..
Feedings? Supplements?... to each his own i guess...depending on their knowledge, experience and self-initiative to improve and achieve more. Rationally, if ur adopted ideas are really convincing and consistent in winning...why change? Ano ka hilo? bwahaha..

Don Cassimiro, u made it!...I thought I wasn't worth your precious, masterful time...yup-couldn't say less on what u said!!!

[tebs69]

[QUOTE=unico]Canadian Kelso...sige na nga....di no details din from me on the duck pellets

Tebs....hope u can provide the fundamentals of the methods...no specifics at baka "sekwet" yun...like my discussions on the Narragansett breeding method I simply explain it as a type of line breeding approach giving reapeated doses of an outstanding bloodline into succeeding generations...that is on ONE side of the mating like Uncle-Niece, Cousins, Nephew-Aunt...something lika that..


theres no secret in MIKE RATLIFF method, almost they same with conditioning method you have posted, always think which place you are fighting and adopt the very good system that suitable for the environment and weather of the place where you wanna fight.... always try to develop your condioning method, in the books its only basic teaching, but the BIG SECRET is not there...... in this new mellinium every breeders has a lot of good breeding stock and very good system of brought up their fighting cocks..... so the only advantage you can have if your CONDITIONING PROGRAM IS VERY GOOD.....

[unico]

[quote=tebs69]

Originally Posted by unico

Canadian Kelso...sige na nga....di no details din from me on the duck pellets

Tebs....hope u can provide the fundamentals of the methods...no specifics at baka "sekwet" yun...like my discussions on the Narragansett breeding method I simply explain it as a type of line breeding approach giving reapeated doses of an outstanding bloodline into succeeding generations...that is on ONE side of the mating like Uncle-Niece, Cousins, Nephew-Aunt...something lika that..


theres no secret in MIKE RATLIFF method, almost they same with conditioning method you have posted, always think which place you are fighting and adopt the very good system that suitable for the environment and weather of the place where you wanna fight.... always try to develop your condioning method, in the books its only basic teaching, but the BIG SECRET is not there...... in this new mellinium every breeders has a lot of good breeding stock and very good system of brought up their fighting cocks..... so the only advantage you can have if your CONDITIONING PROGRAM IS VERY GOOD.....

thanks Tebs, as far as what I know of Mike's method he does use quite a bit of table work outs...moisture control with the use of bread and milk..and emphasis on how u handle your bird when they are brought inside the pit...getting them properly phsyched up by familiarizing them with thye pit environment using careful moves based on their current attitude at the time..

[stupid_crook]

[QUOTE=unico]

Originally Posted by tebs69

thanks Tebs, as far as what I know of Mike's method he does use quite a bit of table work outs...moisture control with the use of bread and milk..and emphasis on how u handle your bird when they are brought inside the pit...getting them properly phsyched up by familiarizing them with thye pit environment using careful moves based on their current attitude at the time..

A friend spars his cock in the venue itself before the derby date, particularly in big time derbies....and a lot more of meticulous and costly processes..hehe..which ordinary breeder/cocker like me cudn't afford! Really stiff to challenge the biggies...but despite of all these...we still dare...'coz our cocks doesn't mind at all..

[ZBird]

keeping pen of the nesmiths

http://i107.photobucket.com/albums/m293/cenyali/008.jpg

[unico]

[quote=stupid_crook]

Originally Posted by unico

A friend spars his cock in the venue itself before the derby date, particularly in big time derbies....and a lot more of meticulous and costly processes..hehe..which ordinary breeder/cocker like me cudn't afford! Really stiff to challenge the biggies...but despite of all these...we still dare...'coz our cocks doesn't mind at all..

He must know the owner of the pit to do that!!!...Fire and ice u mean

[unico]

Originally Posted by ZBird

keeping pen of the nesmiths

http://i107.photobucket.com/albums/m293/cenyali/008.jpg

Now that's wha I call KEEP-ing them out of site!!!...nice pic bnro, thanks!

[danterecopuerto]

where we can get these conditionings anyone can fats forward pls i need conditioning and keep pls...thanks

[decameseta]

Originally Posted by danterecopuerto

where we can get these conditionings anyone can fats forward pls i need conditioning and keep pls...thanks

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[decameseta]

Originally Posted by danterecopuerto

where we can get these conditionings anyone can fats forward pls i need conditioning and keep pls...thanks

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[f2gade]

Originally Posted by spaggy811

if you fight your cocks w/o the proper conditioning, you might as well not fight them at all 'coz for sure you will only have a very little chance of winning the fight and besides it will be a very sorry loss for your cock. it's just like sending a soldier to battle w/o the proper arms, gear and training. it's a suicide.

if walthong cock is a suicide bomber...well i dont know what to say..

before you condition ur fowls.. know their styles.. by doing this you will know where will you start.. like expressdelivery said.. take out all the weaknesses of ur fowls.

if your cock is a ground fighter then improve it then try training him or hav him spar with fowls who likes to fly. alot!

[bangkito]

just follow everything they said................ goodluck

[j.dulay]

do what's best for you and your bird.

[GG Crasher]

keep coming guys.....i learned a lot on this thread..... wish you all luck....

Originally Posted by jhanrobert21

gud day mga kasabong we have these 'samahan' in my home town in the philippines "young cockers" coz as sabong is concern we like newly born chiks we don't nkow how to identify the difference or how to nkow straight comb chiken or 'pea comb' sa ulo b malalaman ng manok yon or s balahibo?baka pwede yung mga beterano n eh can help me or give some of thier nkowleage tnx a lot have a nice day to all

bossing dont be ofended..but kung hindi mo alam where to find the comb of a chicken its best for you to focus on some other endeavor

[blue_talon]

great info guys thanks!

[hanes]

proper conditioning will start from the day your warrior was born until it will be fitted in the cockpit arena, thats my idea in conditioning.

drbfarm@yahoo.com

[sgf]

thanks to all who sharing those ideas.......GOD BLESS


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[decameseta]

Originally Posted by hanes

proper conditioning will start from the day your warrior was born until it will be fitted in the cockpit arena, thats my idea in conditioning.

drbfarm@yahoo.com

agree po ako dito....

[decameseta]

Originally Posted by erjbrother

before you condition ur fowls.. know their styles.. by doing this you will know where will you start.. like expressdelivery said.. take out all the weaknesses of ur fowls.

if your cock is a ground fighter then improve it then try training him or hav him spar with fowls who likes to fly. alot!

galingan ang pag-conditon but make sure na mas magaling kang mag-ulot.